#108~ RE: Problem with Trine Tsouderos's reporting on XMRV

I attempted to comment on another bloggers post, but I guess today I must resemble Jerry Weintrab's autobiography, "When I quit talking then you will know that I am dead." Needless to say, it frustratingly kept telling me my reply was too long but instead of having a functional character count, as some reply boxes have so you could know how many characters you had left to use, it would only tell me at the end that I was over the limit.. I gave up and said I would reply over here..

So I urge you to read the Original blog First, so you will know what I am replying to , OK? If you have  a short comment to leave to Help the blog get ratings it would be appreciated. That blogger doesn't usually post often but when they do, they usually have put a lot of time into their research and are ON Target. Thanks for caring about this topic and helping to Stop the Inaccurate Biased reporting.

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I am adding my longer comment below:

Let's start with the ongoing Dr. of the Original Incline Village cohort and his opinion as expressed in this short audio interview.

Dr. Peterson about XMRV, Oct 2009

If Trine somehow missed Dr. Alter's slide, this might clear up any confusion of the facts..

Let's not forget to show her the video about Dr. Bell's kids and how after 20 years later ~ 70% of those tested on the first go-round, came up XMRV+. Gee that kinda matches the Science paper 67% I think ? Maybe upon further testing the numbers might also go UP higher ... Another specific cohort testing positive. 

And Dr. Bell thinks this will cause a Paradigm shift. Maybe she missed this tiny tidbit. 

Trine can hear and watch the video here:

Dr. Bell's Lyndville Video

Maybe Trine also skipped Dr Cheney's report last year about his cohort of patients that were also testing XMRV+ ?

I was also married to an Investigative Reporter that was a Capitol Correspondent which is why I am living in my state capitol and I know the difference between "valid legit journalism" and rag paper writing. Obviously both the writer and the editor are at fault here cuz the editor must not be informed and is MIA or asleep on the job like that Reagan airport traffic controller.

Either way the result is a sloppy job.

And since I have also tested XMRV+ by antibody that lets me know that I really am, cuz "you simply can not grow antibodies from any lab contaminants" .. unless the lab contaminants were in the lab that was preparing the vaccine you were given as a young child maybe ? humm

I also worked in a hospital for 17 yrs in the 70's-80's and was on our Hospital Health + Safety Committee and was our Rep. to go to the Conferences in San Francisco at at the height of the HIV outbreak.. so many of us know what a RV smells like, acts like and I have never yet seen one to cause health, quite the contrary.  By the way, XMRV has even been shown to be linked to Lymphoma 

(and originally Prostate Cancer) and that was what my mom died from.

Dr. Singh's patents are also building up and it seems that 25% of the breast cancer patients tested also were XMRV+. I can't wait for her paper to come out.. the spin rag writers will be going wild again... Think we are joking ? Here is a slice of her "dark colored breast tissue" that shows which parts are XMRV+

Oh yeah, it's also time for "The Band Play On" and Deja Vu for us 20 years all over again.. Let Trine read this and see just why we are so skeptical, because we have already seen this rerun and there really needs to be some new better factual reporters. Currently we seem to have only 2 that are after the truth. LOOK at the date on this one, please.... and check the Dr's names~

20 year Deja Vu article

 The evidence is building up here, but where the "original contaminant" came from is what is in question. It was certainly NOT in any of the studies that resulted in published papers with positive results.. Whether it was a lab accident way back when possibly with the vaccines~  gee funny that many Gulf War Vets got ME/CFS  after all of the vaccines they were given, even a number of those that never actually went abroad.. Hummm

OR, even worse, maybe there was actually some biological scientific studies being done for bio-warfare purposes and the ticks and fleas that were meant to be the "carriers" accidentally got blown the "wrong way when a low barometric pressure came in and they were blown from Plum Island back onto the Mainland near New York where there have been documented Lyme outbreaks that are now testing XMRV+... Hummm

Whatever the fricken reason.. the bottom line is that we "are testing Positive" and legitimate medical research to help us needs to be done because a retrovirus, no matter how you got it, is a dangerous thing and needs to be treated ASAP. Got a headache take an aspirin, but what do people with retroviruses get currently ? Nada, unless they choose try some of the old HIV drugs because real current serious research to help us has NO Place to be budgeted for and done. Only HIV and HTLV-1 and 2 seem to be legit. Humm funny.. Wonder why ?

If Trine or Dr. Oz or any other wealthy politician had a new human retrovirus how much you wanna bet that the research money would suddenly show up ? Think they would wait for 25 yrs and for 17 million to get it ? I would not want to wish this illness on anyone, but seriously folks, someone had better start "getting REAL" pretty darn fast ! The lives this thing is costing, the $20 billion a year it is costing our economy, the families it is bankrupting, all of this because the CDC has watered down the definition that was only meant to be a description of the Original Cohort, and they have done nothing but water the real biomedical symptoms with psychological symptoms that might be side effects but certainly are most not primary causes of this illness. Had they cared to even follow the first 2 rules of good medicine at the time this would have not happened :

#1~ Take a good medical history 

#2~ Do NO Harm.

They have violated both of these.. 

They did not even care to talk to the patients in that original cohort, nor examine their symptoms, they only cared to look at the sterile negative test results, and because you can't test Positive for a test that has not been invented yet, they chose to make up new symptoms and funnel everyone over into the Psych dept. when they were the ones that should have been receiving the counseling. 

Obviously, they are not capable of disease control or prevention if they are not even willing to honestly evaluate the original patients of a particular cohort.. oh that's right.. they wanted to call it hysteria which would have no cohort.. another attempt to make this a woman's illness which it is not. The men that are testing XMRV+ take exception with this and I don't blame them.

(root word: hystera) 

Origin of HYSTERIA

New Latin, from English hysteric, adjective, from Latin hystericus, from Greek hysterikos, from hystera womb; from the Greek notion that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus

First Known Use: 1801

Viruses and retroviruses do not follow the rules of countries and obey "do not cross" any country borders. Why would M.E. be in Canada but not be able to cross not the USA ? Especially with today's convenient modes of distant travel for humans let alone birds or other insects.. why would a virus behave according to CDC limited thinking beliefs, duh ?

CDC the cohorts are showing up and now testing positive for XMRV. 

World wake-up.... I had 5 close friends die from AIDS, but even with AIDS only one life is taken. With ME/CFS and now with a retrovirus showing up in 4 of the original cohorts and many others that are being tested now, guess what? This IS contagious and you have been negligent for the past 25 years. 

The joke amongst we the patients is that "the Good News is: You don't have AIDS.

The Bad news is you don't have AIDS."

This disease will kill you 25 years earlier but will give you many other diseases along the way, cost you and our medical system a lot of money and frustration, you will be belittled and treated like you do not have any biomedical illness. 

They keep telling us "it's all in your head", but actually just like the scans Dr Cheney had done originally with his own  money up at Incline Village of the the brains of the Original Cohort, when showed to a friend of his that was  another Dr., that Dr. told him, "These look just like the scans of my patients.. and they have AIDS." So guess what, it's not all in our heads, close.. it's IN our Brains... Isn't that where M.E. goes ? Why have you not been looking there if you keep thinking it's in our heads Then SCAN THEM darn it... Enough of your double-talk and enough of this poorly researched reporting... 

Either "get the facts correct" or keep your computers turned off and do not publish any more pyschobabble cuz we have heard it all before.. and sadly for you we are not dead and we do remember things and the internet and laptops became mainstream and your errors have been documented whether CDC or reporter.

As another saying goes.. 

"It's either time to lead or get  out of the way"..

To the CDC is say:

"Take DOWN that CBT and GET junk off of your website." You are showing that you are still functioning in the 17th century by doing so. This is the 21st century. Please start behaving like a First Class Medical Research Facility or we will make sure you are replaced with one. You are digging your won grave and playing ostrich in the meantime. Discard that abomination that you call your "5 year plan" and put someone in charge of rewriting it that has some functioning brain synapses and dendrites. I think you have been "buying your own BS for far too long."

We even have many in the medical profession that have it because we have been on the front lines of where all of these viruses were.. Trust me, these people believe "really FAST" that this is not "all in our heads," because they like most of us were active and not depressed when we were suddenly struck down by this virus.


ALL of the Dr's that have Seriously worked with these cohorts have "Always Believed" that a virus was involved, and its time that everyone start waking up, before someone in your family gets it next.
 
The first job of a virus  is to infect, duplicate and spread.  Guess what~ Retroviruses are excellent at doing this because they get into your DNA. I believe that the CDC forgot this or does not want to face another retrovirus that they ignored and let spread. Their hands were full with HIV and so they let this one go because people were not dying "instantly."

Clearly, there are only a few leaders regarding this topic both in the medical research field and the reporting arena... and we know who they are.. and who they are NOT. 
At this point~ Trust MUST be Earned.


Those that want to have any serious honest constructive conversations with us on any topic know how to find us and we will be very open and willing to discuss things realistically.

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Ladies and Germs, I think that Dr. Judy and Annette Whittemore did was HEROIC! I would like to nominate them for the "Heroes of the year for 2010" . Are there any takers?

I can say what they are "too polite" also. Dr. Ruscetti is WORLD famous in retroviral research. He discovered the second ever kNOWN human retrovirus: HTLV-1. He was also RIGHT there at the founding of HIV-1. Along with Dr. Luc Montagnier from France, and Dr. Jay Levy of UCSF in the USA. in 1989, Dr. Jay Levy told me that "THIS CIAS (chronic immune activation syndrome) {this was HIS name for M.E. and CFS} will be the AIDS of the 1990's". 

Dr. Robert Gallo, who was working at the NIH at this time STOLE the working papers of Ruscetti, Levy and Motagner. they were being HONEST and very Careful, and when told to double and triple check all their work, Gallo used that time to steal their work and to go to the US patent office and he got HIS name on the HIV patent and thus got MANY accolades and speaking engagements and $125,000 a year in royalties. Dr. Ruscetti was VERY angry at his work being stolen, and he vowed to NEVER let the NIH and CDC bosses see his work until it was completed, so they could not steal it or squash it! He did this with his HTLV-1 work which is also a human retrovirus that can cause lymphoma's and various cancers. 

NOW, we have the 3rd known Retrovirus, XMRV, and Dr. Ruscetti is right there again with the brilliant and determined Dr. Judy Mikovits and her partner Lombardi, and the equally brilliant, classy and determined Annette and Harvey Whittemore, and their lovely daughter, Andrea. These people are fighting for TRUTH and JUSTICE and FAIRNESS for all of US!. If you know anyone with a foundation or a bequest, PLEASE make a donation to the WPI! We have a link on our site at www.rescindinc.org. you can go there and sign our M.E. Petition and make a donation to the WPI at the same time. You can also listen to Susan Wenger's excellent song about M.E.  

Harvey Alter's comments from last week at the FDA blood working group meetings. Dr. Alter said in effect, that he knew NOTHING about M.E. and CFS six months ago. But he has learned a lot in the past six months. and He now says "Maybe XMRV plays a role in this illness, and maybe it doesn't. But either way, this illness is REAL and it is SERIOUS! and we need to do the work to find out what is causing all this misery to so many people!

 Also, Dr. Kenny de Merlier said two days ago, BIG insurance companies and MAJOR world government agencies are scared to death! this could cost BILLIONS of dollars to treat us. and the liabilities of having government bureaucrats denying treatment to people who were gravely ill with  M.E. and CFS, and Autism, and Chronic Lyme and other illnesses like Gulf War Illness could SUE our various governments for LYING to the public for decades. This could cost MORE billions. And when there is Deliberate MALICE, we can go for TRIPLE damages!!!

So, when people like Ruscetti, MIkovits, Lombardi and Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, (who discovered various mycoplasmas in the early 1990s relating to sick gulf war veterans). Dr. Lo is, like my friend Garth Nicolson, one of the TOP Cancer Tumor experts on the planet, with more than 500 Peer reviewed articles, who had a daughter who was a helicopter pilot in the First Gulf WAR. She was a smart, hard charging woman who came home deathly ill after the first Gulf War.... and the Pentagon "lost" medical records written in ink. Someone "erased" millions of medical records that were on Pentagon Hard drives, and somehow thousands of HARD copy CDs and DVDs of medical records went missing..

Funny, how 3 separate mediums of medical data went missing....just when 285,000 soldiers got SICK! and many of the soldiers from POOR countries did not get sick and soldiers from France, that did NOT take the toxic vaccines jammed full of squalene, and who took prophylactic antibiotics did NOT get sick, and our soldiers who were jammed full of toxic vaccines, and who ate  Pyridostigmine Bromide tablets like "chiclets". These tablets were to be ONLY taken after a direct exposure to chemical weapons. Professor Thomas Tiedt, an expert in cholinesterase problems testified that a single dose in about 5% of all people will cause lifelong neurological problems, and that just a few dozen exposures will damage the nervous system of about 1/3 of all people who take these tablets. 

Years ago surveys showed that 1 in 4 Gulf war veterans were SICK AS DOGS! even though they only fought for 4 days! 25% of our returning soldiers are now sick! and guess what their disability claims say on them? drum roll please......Fibromyalgia Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Environmental Illness, Multiple Chemical Sensitivities. and 95% of these veterans are MEN! so, these illnesses are NOT just for women! and the US Pentagon has put $300 MILLION aside to research and care for these soldiers! WE need a piece of that pie! and IF and this is still a big IF, but what if XMRV and other MLV's help TRIGGER these condtions in people with certain genetic or psychological predispositions who have already been exposed to multiple enteroviruses, and HHV6, and the whole world has been exposed to EBV? 

If you watch the "Nevada Newsmakers" clip with Sam Shad. Here is their link: http://www.nevadanewsmakers.net/podcast/downloadfile.asp?file=nnm12222010.m4v 

If this toxic soup adds up to such a mess that even a small amount of XMRV, that could damage our HPA axis. I said 22 years ago, that Louis Pasteur, one of the fathers of modern medicine claimed more than 100 years ago, that "the Terrain is everything, the antigen is NOTHING!" If we have terrains of teachers and nurses and other health care workers and people in the travel industry who are in and out of various countries every month for their jobs. IF these people have a "toxic load" of various insults to their central nervous systems and their immune systems, and if Dr. Elaine DeFreitas was correct 20 years ago, and she had a PIECE of the puzzle, and instead of trying to HELP her work along, the CDC and the NIH tried to SHUT her down, because they were already fighting the First  retroviral epidemic of HIV/AIDS, they did NOT need a second retroviral epidemic of middle class white, nurses, teachers and travel professionals, so they decided to CRUSH the Wistar Institute. 

NOW, 20 years later, the same Establishment mentality is trying to CRUSH and STARVE the WPI of the funds they need to find out IF XMRV is the trigger, the final straw that breaks the camel's back,  Then our national governments and various insurance disability companies will have to PAY a portion of our former salaries, PLUS medical expenses, and Housing allowances, and clothing and for Millions of people for DECADES! 

So, Please do NOT let this attack go unanswered! PLEASE get a copy of Dr. Judy Mikovits and Annette Whittemore from "Nevada Lawmakers" with the link listed above. you can google Sam Shad, the reporter, who has interviewed these same all stars at other times over the past several years, and spread that video FAR and wide! Make that Video VIRAL! That is your job over the holidays. We want that video in the hands of every major newspaper editor in the world who published a NEGATIVE  report on the WPI and XMRV in the past week. 

NOTHING that was said in those studies this week in Retrovirology REFUTES a single data point in the October 8th, 2009 SCIENCE article by Lombardi, Mikovits et al. NOTHING  has to be apologized for, or changed. not a single comma. THIS study told the truth. Dr. Judy and Annette were sitting there calmly refuting all negative claims and answering all charges. WE have the truth on our side. The WPI can back up every claim. We need to write to the head of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins and the NEW head of the CDC and ask them "what have you done today to REFUTE these scurrilous lies and half truths?

WHY are you allowing these buzzards to pick apart the WPI ?"

Until proven WRONG, the NIH and the CDC should be PUBLISHING every word that the WPI all stars are writing up, and our government should be FUNDING the WPI to the HILT, until they prove themselves wrong. The NIH and the CDC have been WRONG at every turn on these conditions for 30 years! The NIH and the CDC should be sending their BEST scientists and BUCKETS of money to the WPI, so that we can find out WHY so many people are soo sick and find out HOW we can fix them and get them back to paying taxes and being productive citizens again! 

Finally, it is OUR time, and we need to 

"kick off these ankle biters" and 

Fund the Winners! 2011 is OUR TIME!

We are NOT sick of being TIRED,  

We are TIRED of being SICK!

Peace to all men and women of Good will! and 

Beware all of those who try to deny the truth! 

The good guys and girls are going to win this time! 

PEACE! Ciao for now. TMH

 Guest blog, by request, from TMH~

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